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Posted: 10 June 2008 at 4:31pm | IP Logged Quote Bex1980

Hi all, I need some help, I am not sure would be or have ever been in the same situation but...... My Daughters father has been in and out of her life since she was born. 3 years ago I finally put my foot down and stopped the contact.

  Recently I had an e-mail off him asking if he could see her and being the devoted parent I am said yes but there had to be rules, no rushing meaning he had to earn the trust back with her and myself, I also said there would be no staying at his house until he had proved fully he would be on the scene more than when he felt like it. Since then he has seen her twice and already broke the trust of what was agreed in the first place. On his second day out with her he asked her if she wanted to stay the night at his and to meet his girlfriend etc etc.

   This week I asked him if he would start paying CSA money towards her but not through the CSA he agreed but saw it a an oppatunity to demand her for whole wkends. I have put my foot down and said no he can have her in the day 1 every other week until the trust is back.

 I am doing the right thing should I go through the CSA or what are his rights as a parent when he feels like it...?

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Posted: 10 June 2008 at 4:39pm | IP Logged Quote becky84

Hi Bex ,

Sorry i cant help you im ttc my first but i wanted to say that there are a few ladies on here that have been and are in your situation ,im sure they will be able to advise and help you .

BTW Im Becky (too) 23 and married for 2 trs to Darren and as mentioned we are ttc our first and are just over 2 yrs in to ttc .

Look forward to chatting xx

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Posted: 10 June 2008 at 8:00pm | IP Logged Quote MUM2MAXTOM

I'm a single mum to two little boys who live with me.  My ex and I agreed NOT to go through the CSA for various reasons.  Although he tore me apart by having an affair I've managed to keep a cool head when dealing with him.

I was told that of I had applied for Income Support the CSA would be notified automatically.  If my memory serves me right for one child the father should pay 15% and it's 20% for two children.  My ex actually pays more than what the CSA would've liked so I'm keeping schtum.

As for access, truth be told I would actually like him to have the boys more.  I'm not saying you're doing this but I know quite a few separated families who use the children as pawns, which is detrimental to the child's emotional well-being.  My ex sees his sons on an Ad Hoc basis because he's overseas but I long for the children to see him more frequently to seal the bond and to give me a break!!

Can't you and your ex sit down and talk access through.  Is your daughter at an age where she could say what she wants? It may hurt at first, and believe me when I say that I've had to grit my teeth a few times when discussing access rights but it's better to talk with the child's feelings in mind than our own.

Hope this helps in some small way.


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Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:05pm | IP Logged Quote zanynut

Hi hun

I have a nearly 7 year old and i seperated from his dad when he was 3. He decided to try and go for full custody.... needless to say he didn't win but i did have to agree to visitation orders. Which turned out to be a sat/sun every week which once both comfortable and it wasn't affecting his school it went to every other weekend over night. With extra's in school holidays

(my sons dad hardly ever see's him now.... last time was 21st april and forthcoming visit is 15th june but only as it's his birthday the day before otherwise he wouldn't be bothered.)

I say go with your gut instinct..... if possible find a family law solicitor and get some advice and find out if you can get legal aid incase he try's to be pushy and where you fully stand.

Also sound out cab about mediation etc

Did you get the previous agreement in writting? i know it sounds silly but it helps you if you did.

Good luck hun

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Posted: 10 June 2008 at 9:42pm | IP Logged Quote mum2joshua

Hi, welcome to madmums.

I am a single mum to Joshua, 5yrs. He has seen his dad maybe 5 times, all but one occassion long before Joshua remembers. I actually begged Joshua's dad to have access, as Zoe says I didnt want our spilt to ruin Joshua's relationship with his dad. His dad made no effort, the few times he saw him was only if I drove to him and he has never held him. I never once asked him for money.

When Joshua was 3 all his friends had daddies, and although Joshua knew about his dad and had seen photos, he wanted to see him. I tried to make contact via his dads sister, and eventually his dad got back in touch. We talked, and I told him what Joshua wanted. Eventually he agreed to see Joshua, but like you I said there were rules. No secret meetings (his partner knew about Joshua and me, just didnt like me lolol), and it had to be regular. Once a month, week, whatever, but it had to be consistant. He said that he couldnt commit to that, didnt know what time he had to see Joshua. He also said he couldnt be doing with the hassle at home by telling her he was meeting Joshua. So I told him to come back to me when he could shout from the roof top he had a son and he was going to meet him! (Joshua is his 4th child, and he has a younger daughter after Joshua).

His dad got in touch, then lost touch and I told Joshua that his daddy wouldnt come and see him because he was busy. Joshua used to ask daily about him, and told his teachers about this 'amazing dad' he had. In the end hisdad agreed to see him, and so we went to meet him. Joshua said hi, but then ignored him for the whole time, but his dad made no effort to talk to him, just wanted to talk to me. Emails bounced back and forth, and I kept giving him more chances, everytime he cancelled I had to console a very upset little boy. Then he promised to take Joshua out for the day. I made him promise to Joshua and I said if he didnt show, then that would be it, forever. He didnt show and then tried to blame me for not being on msn to arrange it (he knew every way to contact me address, phone, mobile, email etc). I told Joshua daddy broke his promise, and that he wasn't coming to see him. Joshua didnt even get upset, just said I know he never comes. I told his dad that he had blown his last chance, I'd never asked for nothing from him but a few hours of his time. He responded by saying, 'I havent got time for my proper kids, never mind Joshua'. That was all I needed, haven't heard a peep from him in over a year now.

Im all for children seeing their dads, and like Zoe says, I cant abide people using them like pawns after a spilt. However, you know your child. If this man is going to swan in and out of your daughters life it is going to hurt her more. You need to sent a contract that states exactly what you want and once he signs it he has to stick by it. If the money is important then yes I would go through the CSA, as it sounds like he wont keep his word. I would try reasoning with him, let him see his daughter all day, then 2 full days, then over night visits. Explain to him that it needs to be done gradually to make sure your daughter feels secure. If he agrees to this, set reasonable timelines, and then everyoneknows where they stand. I think its better to try sort out anything like this out of the court, but you still need a legally binding contract. If he cant reason with you then make sure you keep copies of any payments he gave you, and any agreements you tried to come to. Try to make time to talk with him, properly with no distractions. Sometimes you have to give a little, but make sure you dont agree to anything you dont want to keep, or know you cant keep to.

I made it clear to my ex he was never going to get access if he let Joshua down any more, and I mean that. Sometimes no father is better than an unreliable father. Do what is best for your daughter!

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Posted: 10 June 2008 at 10:10pm | IP Logged Quote Bex1980

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Did you get the previous agreement in writting? i know it sounds silly but it helps you if you did.

 I did get a sort of agreement in writing yes, one to the acsess and one to the money...........

Can this be used at all????????????

I have said I want it to be gradual with the acsess to gain a trust in him, even my daughter has said he is untrust worthy if he can ask her to stop and I said no for now....Everything I talk to him about has to go through her first as it is her dad at the end of it and she will relise one day what he really is...

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Posted: 11 June 2008 at 7:36am | IP Logged Quote MUM2MAXTOM

That's it really, Bex, we as parents have a duty to protect our children but while letting them make up their own mind.


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Posted: 11 June 2008 at 11:22am | IP Logged Quote steph

I have a contact order and a residency order for my Natasja.  Things started amicable between me and the ex, but went rapidly downhill when the new girlfriend stuck her nose in.

Needless to say, wasnt pretty.  The access order I have, isnt for the exes rights, as i really couldnt give a monkeys about his rights, what i am concerned about is her rights to see him.  I did cover for him when he didnt phone or had to change his plans, and when we lived less than a mile away, and i worked over the road from him..didnt do much for my temper i can tell you!

He has more access than any other man i know, however, he choses not to use it for one reason or another, but thats his choice.  He has now however decided that hes entitled to have all the holidays...hmmm methinks he should check his paperwork. 

Tasja isnt old enough to make her own mind up yet, but she is forming an opinion.  Im treading carefully as the ex is now moving overseas, so just keeping an eye on how she handles that one.

I dont trust him an inch, never have, but sometimes he does surprise me...which really really sticks in my throat to say I can tell you.

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Posted: 11 June 2008 at 6:32pm | IP Logged Quote Bex1980

Well guess what guys, I had a suprise today, I sent Cady's dad an e-mail the other day regarding the matter of his acsess and that I want it 1 day every other week untill there is a proven commitment and he has agreed and it is in writing.....Lets hope it goes well from here.

 

Now for the CSA side......!

 

Thanks to you all xxx



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Posted: 11 June 2008 at 8:46pm | IP Logged Quote zanynut

Hi hun

Getting him to agree to it all in writing goes in your favour if he breaks it, just take note of times and days and his reasons.

Just as an after thought have you both signed it and got pick up and drop off times in it? Who's doing which one and where it will be to?

I know it seems silly to be so detailed but it all goes in your favour if he breaks it.

Congrats for getting him to agree to it though

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